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Greetings friends
I have been studying on and off for 2 years taoist sexual practices, along with full yoga practice. I dont get to practice much.
There is one issue i will have the first orgasm very soon still, and even if i hold the ejaculation in, i still feel to senstitive to continue for 5-10 minutes.. All I have read is that you must hold it in. maybe i am just going to fast, and maybe not holding the ejaculation deep enough. I would be so grateful to have any advice from people who have realized the key to this.
Thank you
In peace,
nicolas
I have been studying on and off for 2 years taoist sexual practices, along with full yoga practice. I dont get to practice much.
There is one issue i will have the first orgasm very soon still, and even if i hold the ejaculation in, i still feel to senstitive to continue for 5-10 minutes.. All I have read is that you must hold it in. maybe i am just going to fast, and maybe not holding the ejaculation deep enough. I would be so grateful to have any advice from people who have realized the key to this.
Thank you
In peace,
nicolas
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Re: Mastery over orgasm
Sun, July 19, 2009 - 1:27 PMNicolas, perhaps if you could tell us more about which Taoist sex techniques you are practicing - deer exercise? testicle breathing? etc.
Personally, I found that doing the deer exercise every day gave me a lot of control over ejaculating - if I feel I'm moving towards ejaculating I inhale and press down while contracting my perineum and anus (pulling up), hold this for several seconds, exhale, and the urge to ejaculate disappears for many minutes - as long as I haven't waited too long. I think this is because what I am doing is squeezing my (engorged) prostate.
This doesn't make the energy rise - per se - that is a different technique - 'big draw' - but it does (for me) reduce my desire to ejaculate.
I strongly recommend that men do a lot of solo practice - both aroused practice (with an erection) and unaroused (without an erection), so that when they are in a situation with a partner, which is (in my experience) about a thousand times more exciting, they know what to do and are "well rehearsed." in the techniques. And the practicing is fun. -
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Re: Mastery over orgasm
Sun, July 19, 2009 - 3:44 PMyes, thank you my friend.
the other day i had the described quick orgasm and held mostly in, then i was able to fully control my self with long deep breathing and posturing of my hands- holding them together at my chest and pulling in opposite directions to raise the energy, applying firm neck lock and concentrating on the crown chakra. i was having sex in cobra pose basically pulling all the energy up- then the engery got stuck there and i had a headache for a day or two..
let me get this clear- you inhale and press down- what presses down? your diaphragm?
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Tue, July 21, 2009 - 5:05 PMtighten your abs a bit, inhale pushing your diaphragm down, very similar to defecating. -
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Fri, July 24, 2009 - 10:57 AMThe male deer exercise is the best way to practice and learn. Try stopping the flow while taking a leak, its the same contraction of muscles that you need for holding on to it.
I believe that the number of times a person can hold back is tightly related to their energy level.
Holding back, i understand is only the first step, I am stuck at transmuting the energy. Any help or advise is appreciated.
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Re: Mastery over orgasm
Fri, July 24, 2009 - 12:04 PMIf your microcosmic orbit is open I'd suggest you learn 'testicle breathing', the technique is a bit too long with too many fine points for me to write it up.
If your microcosmic orbit isn't open, that is your first step (in the school I was trained in)
Personally, I think number of times you can hold back is more about having the smarts to pause before you get too close to "the point of no return." And I'm a big fan of the deer exercise, the version I do is a bit more involved than what you describe, and what you describe is an excellent exercise -= if you google deer exercise you'll find descriptions of a couple variants. -
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Sat, July 25, 2009 - 4:49 AMThanks for the tip. I use the deer exercise prescribed Taoist book of bedroom secrets. I have the exercise set for opeing the microcosmic orbit. Shall start from there.
Thanks again.
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Re: Mastery over orgasm
Sat, July 25, 2009 - 10:38 AM>>> If your microcosmic orbit isn't open, that [opening the microcosmic orbit] is your first step (in the school I was trained in)
my mco is not open. Can testicle breathing be beneficial even though the mco is not open?
When i do testicle breathing, i can sometimes feel cold energy in my spine. The energy intensifies when i slightly move my shoulders up and down or forth and back.
This is how I would describe my experience:
The energy is not a current stream from the testicles through the spine into the brain. The energy just flows around somewhere and disappears again. -
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Re: Mastery over orgasm
Sat, July 25, 2009 - 11:18 AMI would concur with Alchemy. Stop before you get too far along. You can open your orbit by practicing when you are not aroused also. Use your breath to open the spaces between your vertebrae and lift up, bringing the energy up and then circulating it back down.
As far as the "cold" goes, I would gently work around it ... thinking of it as an ice cube that needs to be melted. Receiving bodywork may also help you clear those cold spots.
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Re: Mastery over orgasm
Sat, July 25, 2009 - 1:17 PMI'd suggest focusing on opening your orbit.
The cold energy in your spine could be a number of things. By the time you open your orbit, you'll have a lot more experience of your body and its energies and how to move them, and which energies are coming from where.
One can move cold energy from the testes by doing testicle breathing, it probably won't have any particular benefit at your current level of practice.
I do the same version of the deer exercise, I like that it massages and compresses the entire prostate along with strengthening the pc muscle and others.
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Re: Mastery over orgasm
Mon, July 27, 2009 - 5:23 PMMy friends
I have some experiencial advice to open your energy channels.
The first would have to do with your practice- yoga, tai chi, streching is the main thing, and breating into the stretch. you can feel the breath coming in through the feet, all the way up to the head and exhaling the oppisite direction feeling the energy pouring like water out the feet. this will help open up the lower blockages.
Another helpful practice for the energy channels is diet. It is so important. Try eating pure as you can manage, avoiding processed foods, refined sugars, etc... Try making fresh vegetable juices, like kale, swiss chard, spinach, etc.. but just the juice and not the pulp. use carrot or bell pepper juice to sweeten. this is excellent for your energy channels, your glands and your clarity of mind. it has helped me immensly. also cantaloupe, papaya, watermelon, fresh cranberries are very very excellent. Doing some fasts/ cleanses will really help you open up these channels. You could do a green juice fast/ cleanse. this is incredibly helpful. Eating all raw foods has really opened up the channels in my body. I highly reccomend the raw food diet to all yogis, taoists, etc... it is very clarifying, balancing and energizing. I get a great mix of foods in my diet and i feel great.
Preserving your semen is great. Just trying to maintain awareness of your body and breath is really the practice.
May you be succesful.
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Re: Mastery over orgasm
Wed, October 7, 2009 - 8:41 PMI agree with the first part of you post. I think its much easier to get the Tao practice if you know how to stretch and breathe but does diet make that much of a difference? I like to go out and party as well as the above and the thought of doing a DIET just makes me think of how my mothers generation starved themselves periodically... why does a raw diet make such a difference??? and if I wanted to give it a go for a few days what would I do?
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Re: Mastery over orgasm
Thu, October 8, 2009 - 1:22 AMI maintain a very ordinary diet, one especially good for chi cultivation will do, any diet suitable for your occupation will suffice. But overall diet can only be effective if combined with pranayama breathing exercises (alchemy) because even gross lead can be transmuted to refined incorruptible gold. Yes everything in the cosmos can be transmuted. I know of one person who even ate offal, mostly tripe and hodge as it is called in the UK sheep's stomach lining. However, I also use essential oils and mineralised elixirs prepared beforehand with ginseng, chilli and ginger (v. yang) - these are high potency agents and can help purify the nadis (meridians) as well as each of the chakras thru which kundalini will pass. The subtle body responds to all manner of phytonutrients and specialised "foods" according to the Tattva in operation - minerals, vegetables, animals & orgone enrichment. A female practitioner may want to include very yin foods of course!
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Re: Mastery over orgasm
Fri, October 16, 2009 - 12:11 PMI wouldn't advocate a "raw diet" specifically, I find that most diets focused on 1 narrow goal (raw food, or high protein, or vegan, etc.) can have a tendency towards unbalanced eating behavior.
But I would add that diet has made a difference in my practices. Or, curiously, my practice has affected my diet. As I've gained sensitivity to my own internal energies I've come increasingly to feel that some foods or drinks feel more polluting than they feel satisfying. I've stopped drinking alcohol, don't smoke (anything), and try to keep my diet "clean" (fresh, whole foods, in balance, few refined carbs, etc.). A great meal for me at this point is a piece of skinless, boneless free-range organic chicken and some steamed veggies. With maybe a little parm sprinkled over the top (cuz cheese is my nemesis, apparently).
I notice that when I'm stressed and away from my practice that my diet starts to revert back.
My point here is that you don't have to attack it from the diet-first direction. You can just keep doing the practice, listening to yourself, and then doing what feels right (deeply felt, not just surface whims). You can go diet-first, too, I've done a bunch of that, too. Just saying that diet-first isn't the only way to go, just keep practicing and your diet is likely to change as a result.
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